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president responds and says no, we won't kill americans in cafes. >> calm down, senator. mr. holder is right. even if he doesn't explain the law very well. >> the young guns versus the old guard in the u.s. senate. is this a vision of what's to come in 2014. and later -- >> very sad for the people that will not be able to see the inside of the gorgeous white house. >> a lot of people, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity to go in the white house. >> today's the first day that they can't go to the white house. they say tours are a sequester casualty. we continue to watch developing news from south africa. that's where nelson mandela was admitted to a hospital in pretoria this afternoon. doctors say this is all for a scheduled medical check-up to manage some pre-existing conditions. they add at this point there's no reason for alarm. you'll remember the 94-year-old former south african president spent 18 days in the hospital
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back in december, but again, we are monitoring nelson mandela's hospital visit in south africa. we'll continue to keep you up-to-date on that. first, though, secretary of defense chuck hagel is in afghanistan today. he took questions from soldiers, as well. he was asked about the effects of the sequester on military readiness. >> we are adjusting in training, steaming time, flight time, areas that don't affect directly our men and women in uniform and our readiness, but it's a problem. >> shortly after hagel's arrival in afghanistan, two suicide bombers struck, one just outside the country's defense ministry. at least ten people were killed and secretary hagel was nowhere near either explosion and scott romney, mitt romney's brother is reportedly mulling a bid to run for the u.s. senate for michigan. romney is considering a run for the seat that will be vacated by
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retiring democrat carl levitt. and in a solemn ceremony at arlington national cemetery, the remains of two of "the uss monitor," the ceremony comes 150 years after the civil war sea battle between two of the first iron clad vessels. the union's monitor and the confederacy's merrimac. parts of the monitor have been recovered from the ocean floor and are being restored. next week, president obama will head to the hill to talk to the caucuses on both sides of the aisle. this week, he reached not only across the aisle, but also across town eating dinner at a fancy d.c. restaurant with key members of the republican party. here's what he had to say about it in his weekly radio address. >> in the month ahead there will be more contentious debate and honest disagreement between principled people who want what's best for this country. but i still believe that compromise is possible. i still believe we can come
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together to do big things, and i know there are leaders on the other side of the aisle who share that belief. >> president obama there in his weekly address, kristen welker standing by at the white house. what's the president going to be talking about when he heads to the hill next week, kristen? >> reporter: craig, good afternoon. i think he will be talking about a whole range of topics and everything from immigration reform to gun control, but i think the focus of these discussions will be on deficit reduction, the sequester. that was certainly the focus from president obama met with rank and file members of congress during this past week, as you mentioned during the lunch and he also had dinner with 12 gop senators. this is really coming against the backdrop of the president being criticized to not reach out to members of congress. it marks a reset, circumventing congressional leaders dealing with the rank and file republicans to try to get something done on deficit reduction. the question is will these
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conversati conversations actually yield results. one interesting thing that came out of that dinner that president obama had with members of congress. one of the people who attended that dinner, one of the senators said that he actually hadn't been aware of president obama's deficit reduction plan and everything he was willing to offer in terms of spending cuts so it does appear as though these conversations are providing clarity on both sides of the aisle, but how does president obama bring it back to the folds to bring the conversations into legislative results and if you look at the weekly addresses today, craig, you see that both sides are still sharply divided when it comes to deficit reduction. of course, this all comes when we are seeing the effects of the sequester take hold as you mentioned today is the first day that tours are canceled here at the white house and a lot of disappointment here at the nation's capital with people looking forward to touring the white house here. >> kristen welker from 1600
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pennsylvania. we'll check back with you later in the hour. >> thanks. >> the president really lead on the charm offensive, we're having dinner with a dozen republican senators, including john mccain and tom cob urn and then he invited the president to the white house for lunch. he's taking it to the hill as kristen just told us. on tuesday he'll go to capitol hill to meet with the democratic caucus. wednesday he'll meet with the house republicans and then on thursday he'll meet with both the democratic and republican senate caucuses. how effective will all of these meetings be? christina bell antonio, and bill snyder, political scientist and resident scholar. good to see both of you. >> good to see you. >> christina, you wrote in a new piece, quote, the cherries blossoms are a few weeks away from peak bloom and olive branches are sprouting up all
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over washington this week. how long do you think the president's hospitality tour will last? >> the length isn't really the issue. what's very interesting about this is that the white house really wants the press to know about all of this outreach. this is a very public effort. it's about the perception as much as it is about the actual outreach and what you're hearing from senators is that the president is listening, for example, that dinner on wednesday night that you mentioned and it's another matter about whether they can actually come to some sort of compromise in a very hard and fast ideological positions particularly on fiscal matters, but you are hearing optimistic notes coming from capitol hill and they just wanted to be listened to and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell was the loudest voice on this is aing that the president hadn't been speaking to him at all. now they're all getting a voice at the table and perhaps there's compromise to be had. >> i want to bring in kristen welker. i did want to ask you quickly, what do we know about the
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conversation at that dinner? what did the president and what did those senators sit around the table and talk about? >> well, craig, the white house and folks on the hill are keeping most of the details under wraps, but i can tell you that they said that the majority of the conversation was focused on deficit reduction and the president really laying out what he is putting on the table, making it clear that he is willing to reform entitlements. some people saying that they hadn't been aware of the fact that he was willing, for example, to put means testing on the table and those types of things. so really, both sides staking out where they stand on these issues and talking about the sequester. how can they at this point mitigate some of the impacts of the sequester and one important point about these conversations, craig, is that the president said the president is revisiting this idea of a grand bargain trying to get to $4 trillion in deficit reduction. the president house speaker john boehner have tried to make
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attempts at that in the past. they have failed so that the president really reviving the idea of a grand bargain during these conversations. craig? >> bill schneider is the president's new strategy. is it somewhat of an admission that his old strategy of trying to take his case straight to the public doesn't work anymore? >> yeah. but i'm not sure this is going to work either. he's not really a people person. he's not bill clinton, but what's really missing here is the element of public pressure. the public out there, the american voters don't understand what the crisis is. for the most part it's a manufactured crisis. the fiscal cliff. the debt ceiling and the sequesters. people don't know where they come from or what's happening. what they see is the economic news is good, so why all of the urgency over deficit reduction. there are people out there that are worried about the deficit and it is a real problem, but it is not a crisis to most americans. >> christina, let's switch gears here. the president had another private meeting on thursday apparently with jewish leaders.
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"the l.a. times" reporting that the president said he is planning on challenging israelis during his upcoming trip there saying in part, quote, what are you willing to do for peace? what hard steps are you willing to take? how will this strategy of challenging -- how will it be received both abroad and back home as well. well this is a very sensitive issue and one of the reasons why the president is going to israel in about a week and a half, and it's something that many presidents have struggled with. we talked about former president bill clinton a second ago. this was one of his deep regrets that they weren't able to come together for a peace process. this is a challenge that many presidents are going to keep facing. the president's not really saying anything new. it's just a new push to come together and find some sort of resolution here and expect to see a lot of him saying those same types of things that he's
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been saying. think about the speech that he gave in cairo in 2009 when he first became president. these are a lot of the same notes that you're hearing from him. >> christina, bill schneider, thanks so much. we'll check in with you later in the hour. you, as well, kristen welker. michelle obama showering praise on the woman who once dreamed of being first lady herself. the cardinals assemble as catholics around the world wonder who will become the next pope. first, though, the drone debate. what not killing americans by remote control will mean to washington. we'll talk to charlie rangel about that and a whole lot more. i'll also ask him where he got that really sharp bow tie as well. come back. effective pain relievers. tylenol works by blocking pain signals to your brain. bayer advanced aspirin blocks pain at the site. try the power of bayer advanced aspirin.
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when president obama had dinner with republican leaders wednesday, lamb and lobster were not the only things on the menu. the president served up news that he'd like to reach a grand bargain to reduce the deficit by the end of july. how tough of a timeline will that be for democrats to swallow? new york congressman carly rangel is here on a saturday afternoon. always good to see you. >> good to be here, craig. >> president obama says he wants to do this grand bargain by end of july. you are former chairman of the ways and means committee. how realistic of a goal is that? >> if the republicans really believe they've hurt the country enough, if they really believe the republican party is losing credibility on any deficit reduction to say no revenue, whatever that means, we can move forward. the president's prepared with a lot of us liberals and so-called reforming the health system, but you just don't save money by cutting programs, preventive care is a classic case. >> it sounds like it sounds like
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democrats like you of the more progressive ilk, it sounds like you guys have a ways to go on entitlement reform. >> i don't know about this progressive thing. i find my position to be just as conservative. you educate a kid. you're saving money. you're having us to have a competitive society. you keep them out of a costly jail and not being productive. you give health care, preventive care to people and you keep them out of intensive care. and you have social security so that people are not homeless and you have to take care of that, and so progressive, liberal, hey, this thing makes a whole lot of sense if we've got to be competitive against china and the european union and the other thing. so it's national security. and the companies are making profits that they never dreamed that they would make. >> it sounds like it's your con
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telephonon that we really don't need a great deal of change to things like social security. we don't need to look at changing the cpi. >> of course, we do. any company, any family has to take a look at its spending, but it's absolutely dumb and stupid to say that a family's got to cut across the board. >> targeted cuts. >> cutting one thing may mean you have to double the cost for what you were trying to prevent in the first place. so you sit at a table, of course, sequestration was created as a nightmare that never should happen, and so the same people who did it, members of congress -- >> you voted for it. >> no, i didn't. no, i didn't. >> you voted for the bill in which sequestration was included. >> no! no! no! sequestration is something that no one thought of that could possibly happen and so we did it. we can't undo it. there's no real reason anybody
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can say why we can't get together except some cocky maimy idea that the republican party would raise revenue. i didn't say increase taxes. i said raise revenue. >> i want to talk to you about drones, the other topic of conversation this week. this is what senate intelligence committee chair dianne feinstein said to chris matthews on thursday. take a listen. >> in some respects, it's the perfect assassination weapon. it can see from 17,000, 20,000 feet up in the air. it is very precise. it can knock out a room in a building if it's armed. it's a very dangerous weapon. >> what kind of regulations should we be looking at? >> very severe restrictions. it is a scary notion. as a kid, i'm a buck rogers fan, but i never thought that something like this was possible. as an american, i'm pleased that we have it now, but
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realistically, sometimes someone else is going to get it and i don't like the idea of any president having the power to be able to direct that another american some place be killed for reasons that we don't know. >> under any circumstances? >> well, who will create the circumstances? we can create the circumstances if someone thinks that they're going to harm the united states of america. of course, we would say, rather than have our country destroyed, destroy the person that wants to do it. who is going to make that decision? how fast is it being made? will the congress be informed? we don't know who the next presidents are going to be, but their judgment means that our country who was not formed and based on these principles that you can take out anybody, any time you think that you don't like them or they're in danger. i don't want to start anything, but j. edgar hoover was a threat to the united states of america and yet, he was making those
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type of decisions. >> congressman charlie rangel, we'll have to leave it there. you have an open invitation and we'll give you more time. >> promise me that tie and i'll come in and check you out. >> you're welcome any day now. thank you so much. >> you look great for 83, by the way. >> thank you very much. >> there's a real bromance in here. >> congressman peter king will put it up. ashley judd will be starring at the conservative conference of the year. sort of. we'll explain that, too. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics and cool bow ties, as well. with my dentures. i love kiwis. i've always had that issue with the seeds getting under my denture. super poligrip free -- it creates a seal of the dentures in my mouth. even well-fitting dentures let in food particles. super poligrip is zinc free. with just a few dabs, it's clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. super poligrip free
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teresa heinz kerry has been a longtime supporter of the first lady even though she did want her job years ago. >> ashley judd has not been invited to be back. her upcoming movie "olympus has fallen" is scheduled for a screening. that movie is about north korean terrorists taking over the white house. she plays the first lady and a possible run against kentucky senator mitch mcconnell. >> i'm elizabeth colbert bush, and from intern to director of sales, to the director of business development at the formal naval shipyard, i've spent 20 years using our ports to create jobs. >> that's elizabeth colbert bush touting her as a business leader. she's running for a democrsouth
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interim leader. right now in this country, lots of winter weather in colorado. it's bringing heavy snow to denver and surrounding areas. it's disrupting travel. it's expected to keep moving across the country. and a close call, another one for planet earth. an asteroid the size of a football field is expected to fly by our planet today. don't get too worried, though. scientists say there will be a good 600,000 miles between us and that massive space rock. 115 cardinals are getting ready to vote on a new pope tuesday. people arne the world wiound th watching for smoke from chimney above the sistine chapel that will signal when the selection is complete. today, as you can see, there are workers installed with the chimney stack on the roof and we want to go to nbc's claudio la vanga, our guy in rome.
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good to see you, sir. walk us through the process that starts on tuesday. >> reporter: well, craig, this is one of the oldest traditions in the catholic church and nothing, not much, really has changed in hundreds of years. so what's going to happen? on tuesday morning, 10:00 local time the cardinals will attend mass in st. peter's square, and there will be the pontefic amass, the pontifical mass and they will make their way slowly to the sistine chapel for the first time invoking the holy spirit. the holy spirit that is officially inspiring them and guiding them through the choice of the best successor to pope benedict xvith, of course, and they'll go into the sistine chapel and it's latin for everyone out apart from the cardinals, of course. the doors will be closed and from then on the cardinals will
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have to elect the next pope. well, how is that going to work? there will be maybe one vote in the afternoon. if that doesn't go well, then there will be two ballots in the morning and two ballots in the afternoon for the following three days. if that even is not going to work and a pope is not elected there will be a day of repose. we don't know how long that it will last, craig, but we know in the last hundred years there hasn't been a conclave longer than five days so we may have a pope by next sunday. craig? >> claudio, i recall during the last election there was some confusion over the smoke when we saw it whether the smoke was black, whether it was gray, whether it was white. have they done anything to fix the smoke? >> reporter: well, they haven't. actually, we asked during the briefing at the vatican. they said, look. are we going to say white smoke this time and is it going to be gray? it was gray in 2005 and in 1978. the black smoke leaves residues
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in the chimney so the white smoke comes out gray. look, that's the fascination of the conclave. it's an old process, so just go with it. >> just go with it. >> claudio at the vatican. we'll come back to you later in the show. thank you, sir. sharing. sharing. we learned it all -- we learned all about it in the sandbox and now it's become all of the rage again, but under a new name. someone started calling it collaborative consumption and it's a centuries-old concept of sharing in the economy. thanks to companies like zip car and air b & b and we've been showing cars and homes for the next several years and my next guest has taken it to another level in our nation's cap it will. his name is jonah singer and he runs the kitchen and he's helped turn a warehouse into a shared space for chefs. good to see you, sir. >> good to see you, craig.
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thanks for having me. >> how does your big idea work and how does it come about? >> we have a large 7,000 square footwear house and we have a commercial kitchen as well as office spaces and people rent memberships in the same way you might get a gym membership. we have things like food trucks, catererses and people using wholesale packaged items and it came about because we own a cafe in washington, d.c., as well and we know they're searching for kitchen space and it's hard to come by especially a place like washington, d.c where it's not set up for things like food production and you have become a savvy entrepreneur and you've become an advocate for this concept as well. for folks not as familiar with this new sharing economy, what are some of the other things that people can now share and borrow. >> sure. what we're advocating for is giving people the opportunity to start their own businesses and the opportunity to find their own way in the world of business
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rather than strong work for someone else and i think in washington, d.c., we have things like bike sharing and we have office sharing and we also are involved in an artist's studio and artists are sharing space and the idea is to lower the barrier to entry for folks so that people committed to being an entrepreneur to following their passion and making money out of it have the opportunity to do so and don't find restrictions when it comes down to finding the leads and finding real estate and what it comes down to is the space and physical space is very expensive and hard to come by and if we can help people provide the opportunity to find the space it gives them an opportunity to grow their business. and how do you see it evolving. and it's a good question and the big questions we're asking ourselves are what's trendy versus what's sustainable. i think the food incubator is a sustainable model and there's a huge marketplace for it, but something that can stick around. we're not going to start sharing
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toothbrushes, but people will have the opportunity to share offices and to find -- one of the great things about the food incubator is not just the fact that they're sharing space and it brings a culture of self-belief and there's a lot of shared knowledge and we create a hub where they can take the risk to go start their own business. so i think what the share economy will evolve to is similar types of things and other sectors whether it's manufacturing or transportation can learn from these types of models to help people facilitate their own small businesses. >> jonas singer, it's a fascinating concept. jonas singer owns union kitchen. thank you so much. it's today's big idea. >> thanks, craig. >> appreciate it. >> folks, don't forget to turn your clocks ahead one hour before you go to sleep. it's time to spring forward in case no one told you. daylight savings time begins at 2:00 a.m., we'll lose an hour, don't shoot the messenger. uncer] the lexus command performance sales event has begun.
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we're just getting over the last one, but the presidential contest of 2016 has already inched its way into the headlines this week. let's find out why. here's the political war room. former chief of staff for west virginia joe manchin and former aide to president h.w. bush. >> good to see you. >> joe, we'll start with you. it was a week for republican maneuvering, if you will. rand paul and the filibuster, the talk of washington this week. now politico reporting that the senator is seriously considering running for the presidency in 2016. senator paul telling politico that he can broaden the base of the republican party. take a listen. >> there is somehow a middle ground between what is maybe more pure libertarianism and what is more traditional conservatism, and i think somewhere in between there is a role as long as that person can
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somehow bring about an expansion of the party. >> how could rand paul bring the extreme right and the center of the party together, joe? >> well, i guess for people who have a libertarian bent who are democrats and certainly for those that are republicans, they would want to hear what rand paul had to say he certainly got the attention of lots of americans with the 13-hour filibuster on president obama's drone policy, so he's somebody who i think people believe is a true believer in his cause and believes in less government, of course, and could be a voice for americans in 2016. >> chris, it's as if some people had forgotten some of the things that senator rand paul has said over the past few years. >> well, they're going to be reminded of them when he runs for the presidential republican nomination. he's going to run. i would say i'd be almost stunned if he doesn't. he sees kind of a -- i don't think he really credibly
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seriously thinks he can win the nomination because he can't, but he can create enough noise where he can help shape the republican nomination and probable not in a good way. he has some positions that i think have some crossover appeal in terms of some of the far left and you see them in terms of the drone debate, but some of his positions are pretty extreme and they'll alienate a lot of voters that the republicans need to attract if they'll be competitive in '16. >> he's spent a great deal of time talking about shutting down the fed and a lot of folks have made noise about it and all of a sudden, that was a really cool filibuster. it did not go over well with established republicans. take a listen. >> calm down, senator. mr. holder is right even though he doesn't explain the law very well. the u.s. government cannot randomly target american
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citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. >> why do that, joe watkins? why would senator john mccain chastise his comment on the floor? >> john mccain, as we know is a maverick and someone having been the republican nominee for president in 2008 has the stature and the ability to chastise other members of congress. certainly junior members of congress. we know rand paul is the junior senator from the state of kentucky and has only been -- this is his first elected office ask senator mccain, of course, is a veteran and first serving in congress and then serving in the senate and elected by his party to be the nominee for presidency so he has the stature to say calm duown to any of the member when he likes. >> the washington post-op ed titled my filibuster was just the beginning. this is what he writes in part, quote, i believe the is support this last week shows americans
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are looking for someone to stand up and fight for them and i'm prepared to do just that. you have john mccain on the floor chastising him. how will the republican old guard and the new guard, how will they come together in 2016, do you think? >> that's the million dollar question. i don't know if they can come together. i mean, look, with all due respect to senator mccain, him to lecture senator paul or anyone about their strategic insights after his brilliant analysis of why we need to go to preemptive war against iraq is questionable, at best. putting that aside his division between the republican party and the tea party libertarian wing and the traditional folks like senator mccain and others, that tension is going to continue. it's going to fester and it's going to grow and i don't think that's necessarily good for the party because then it makes it difficult for them to rally around one candidate when i think you're going to probably see more of that happen on the democratic side. so you have a weakness going
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into the 16th race right from the nomination's start. >> another familiar name jumped to the front beige thpage this b bush is jumping out, and it is what he had to say about chuck todd. >> you've been much more open about considering national office than i've heard you before. what's different this time? >> i'm not saying yes. i'm not saying no. >> i've accomplished things in my life that allow me to have that kind of discretion that allow me to think about it. >> what kind of impact can jeb bush have on a 2016 race? >> significant. significant. he's a serious player. he's somebody who had a great record as a governor. the two-term elected governor of florida, an important electoral state and he's his own person. he's not -- he happens to be the younger brother of george w. bush, but he's a very different person from george w. bush and certainly has the capacity, i think, if he decides to run to raise a lot of money and to be a
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serious force and to certainly be the front-runner. >> chris, what would that mean for that popular senator from the sunshine state marco rubio? >> well, it boxes him in and it makes it difficult for him to have that kind of space. the republican 16 will have a much more credible field in terms of serious candidates whether it's governor christie and governor mcdonald and senator rubio, former governor bush and they'll have some serious candidates compared to what they had this last election. that being said, it's almost too many kind of credible candidates and they're going to fight over the same pie. >> listen, if their political gods in heaven are watching, they're going to let jeb bush win the nomination or secretary clinton win the nomination because that race will be a race for the ages. >> that would be a fun one to watch and cover. >> really quickly, you mentioned senator clinton. i do want to ask both of you. joe, i'll start with you.
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you have guys like martin o'malley in maryland. you have andrew cuomo who is waiting in new york. how much time will hillary clinton have to make up her mind before the presidential wanna bes start chomping at the bit? >> she does have more time than you would otherwise give a candidate. she's got so much credibility, she clearly is the front run or the democratic side and she has the capacity to raise lots of money and i think it's hers to lose at this point. >> chris, joe watkins just took your time. >> i'm sorry. >> he's late to the interview and now he took my time. >> he put your business on there, too. >> i wasn't going to tell folks you got stuck in traffic. >> it was on the sequester, i was just waiting for that. >> chris, je watkins, always a pleasure. up next, another victim of the sequester. this time it's the white house saying sorry. no more tours. this is msnbc. the sequester hasn't shut us
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>> a group of kids from sixth graders at the st. paul's lutheran school in waiverly, iowa, these sixth graders put a video message on facebook. >> the white house is our house. please let us visit. >> was it teachers being fired? long lines at airport, massive military cuts? no. what had lawmakers abuzz this week in washington in the wake of the sequestration was the decision by the government to halt white house tours effective today. white house press secretary jake carney on thursday explaining why. >> the secret service presented options that ranged from canceling tours to potential furloughs and cuts in overtime, and in order to allow the secret
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service to best fulfill its core mission the white house made the decision that we would, unfortunately, have to temporarily suspend these tours. >> so was this really all about secret service concerns or was the white house trying to make a larger, very public point here. back for more, christina political editor of pbs news hour in los angeles. political scientist and resident scholar, bill schneider. john thune along with 13 other senators sent a letter thursday to president obama saying in part, quote, the suspension of these tours reeks of political calculation. were these cuts just for show, bill? >> i'm not sure they were for show. there was money involved and difficult choices, but it was very foolish. it was the worst possible public relations. americans believe, correctly, the white house is their house. they're taxpayers. they don't want to be excluded from it.
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it was a very foolish move and it's being ridiculed not just by republicans, but by voters all over the country. >> if the point the white house is trying to make is, listen, these cuts are going to affect people and they're going to affect the way the government conducts its business and here's an example of how. >> well, yes. but you want to talk about something serious like education cuts and you want to talk about what it's likely to mean to the military. we'll shut people out of the white house that, frankly, looks like spitefulness in. >> msnbc spoke to an official who broke down the numbers. there are 37 officers staffed for tours. they each get paid $50 per hour. they work eight-hour shifts and five days a week which saves roughly and this is journalist math, but we double-checked it and it safes $74,000 a week if the tours are canceled. how significant are those savings in the long run anyway? >> well, it's just shy of $1 million a year and that's
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obviously not a lot of savings when you're talking about billions of dollars, but i'm not going cast judgment on whether it was foolish or not foolish to do this, but a lot of americans are not going to feel when a certain jet is not made for the pentagon, but they might be coming to washington. washington is a huge tourist city, particularly starting soon with the cherry blossoms that will be in full peak in about a week and a half, two weeks so we have a lot of people coming in. one thing that's not getting mentioned in this, they do a giant easter egg roll that they open up to americans through a lottery and thousands and thousands of kids show up on the white house south lawn and do that. that costs a lot of money and i haven't heard that question asked if that were to get canceled or what sort of funds that that costs and it's important to point out the capital. those tours are open and they get more tourists than the white house does over the summer in particular, but they are having to close some of the entrances to the capital. a lot of the staffers that work
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within the infrastructure of congress are going to be facing furloughs or cuts in their own offices and there will be pain felt throughout washington in a lot of these tourist looks and not to mention national parks and that sort of thing. >> the tours aren't the only cuts the white house says is making it internally and here's what with josh earnest said yesterday. >> it means there will be supply purchases that will be put off and it will have an impact on people here at the white house. pay cuts. >> in the west wing, as well. >> how much of a long-term effect will it have on the sequestration? >> the big issue is will there be a recession and there could be. the problem with they is quest raising and it's not like a government shutdown, even though the cancellation of the white house tours is really tries to convey the impression that this is the equivalent of the government shutdown in 1995.
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what they're trying to say is this a serious matter and the voters should take it seriously and the big problem that the president and the congress face is the economy is pick up and this could throw us right back into recession and the president will pay a price if the country goes into recession. >> a big thanks to both of you. i do want to let our viewers know and perhaps eager children, as well that we've gotten word that the easter egg roll is still on, in fact. it will happen on april fool's day, april 1st. the sequester won't kill all of the fun in d.c. christina, bill schneider, always good to see both of you. >> sure. >> coming up, she may have been a long shot a short time ago, but the gop political machine is taking ashley judd pretty seriously now. later, cheryl sandberg sets off a firestorm about women finding success and happiness in the workplace. can you really have it all if you're a woman? you're watching msnbc. [ female announcer ] your smile. like other precious things that start off white,
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and a good is the afsh to you, i'm craig melvin. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. women in politics and the workplace. >> that we are objectified. >> we'll look why ashley judd's words are resonating among gop power players and the women who are still trying to crack that glass >> there are currently 40,000 troops stationed here in north waziristan and about half of them are at border coasts like this one. nbc bringing us a rare look inside one of the most dangerous parts of pakistan. >> plus the latest initiative by new york city's billionaire mayor. why this time what we're hearing makes us think he's simply focused on the wrong thing. we'll get to all of those things in just a few moments. first we continue to watch the developing news in south africa.
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nelson mandela is back in the hospital there in preet pretori. doctors say he's there for routine tests and there's no reason for concern. mandela spent 18 days in the hospital back in december. president obama's weekly address to the nation is taking a more conciliatory tone with republicans in congress. >> in the month ahead, there will be more contentious debate and honest disagreement between principled people who want what's best for this country, but i still believe that compromise is possible. i still believe we can come together to do big things and i know there are leaders on the other side of the aisle who share that belief. >> but the republican weekly address delivered by alabama republican senator jeff sessions remains critical of the white house. >> president obama speaks of his deep concern for struggling americans, yet his plans are focused on growing government and not the economy.
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he has no effective plan to create better jobs, more hiring or rising wages. >> and former republican senator marco rubio is condemning venezuela's newly sworn-in president. senator rubio says the naming of vice president nicolas maduro to replace hugo chavez violates the swvenezuelan constitution. the head of the legislature, not the vice president, is next in line following the president's death. back in this country, the president has a busy week ahead. on tuesday president bush will go to capitol hill to meet with democratic caucus. wednesday, he'll meet with house republicans and on thursday he'll meet witheth bo the democratic and the republican senate caucuses. it's all an attempt to work on a grand bargain with the gop, but does the president and leaders in congress have the same goals? joining me now from the white house is nbc's kristen welker. first of all, what kind of
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reception will the president get among republicans on the hill when he visits next week? >> reporter: well, i think he will get a positive reception, craig. for the most part he's gotten a positive reception in having these conversations with republican senators and members of congress. after his dinner this past week senator lindsay graham said it was a productive conversation. think, senator graham helped to organize and put the guest list together for that dinner. you even have republican leadership saying that this is a positive step by the president. we should point out that senator tom koburn, he believes this is necessary. the focus of these conversations while they will get into immigration reform and gun control it will still be on the economy reducing the deficit and of course, trying to find a way to mitigate impacts of the sequester.
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one of the arguments the white house made is that these conversation are coming at a good time. there is no deadline looming over these conversations and they pointed to the fact that there is something to be gleaned and both sides can learn from each other on these conversations and one republican senator coming out of the dinner with president obama last week saying he didn't realize what president obama was willing to put on the table when it comes to cutting spending so there's some clarifying going on during these conversations and the big question remains, craig, what will actually be produced by these conversations that are going on between the white house and members of congress? that's a big question mark and a lot of people wondering how the president is going to bring congressional leaders back into the fold so that they can turn this talk into actual legislative action. craig? >> kristen welker from the white house on this saturday afternoon. thank you. >> thanks. there are increasing signs now that actress ashley judd could be poised to throw her hat in
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the political ring and challenge mitch mcconnell for his seat in 2014. lauren fox is a political reporter for "u.s. news and world report" john stanton is with buzz feed. you're right, u.s. news, quote, ashley judd has yet to declare if she is running against mitch mcconnell in 2014, but that hasn't stopped her opponents from redding for battle and attacking her record and laying out the argument that she's way damn too liberal for kentucky. how will she overcome that? >> it's tough. she's spent a lot of time stumping for president barack obama who is not popular in the state of kentucky. he won four counties there out of 120. so she's got an uphill climb. it will be a lot of retail politics. a lot of shaking hands. her road to the white house or, excuse me, her road to the senate. >> you really jumped the gun there. >> i did. her road to the senate cannot be through hollywood or new york.
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she's going to have to be out there in louisville, talking to folks and convincing them that her goals for the state are the right way and they need to vote her in for senate. >> i read your piece on buzz feed and you said, in part, the republicans are hitting judd over her residency questioning her kentucky roots. they've come up with a satirical web ad driving that message home. how concerned is the gop that not only is judd ready to jump in this thing, but that she could win this thing? >> um, i think on one hand, i think they are a little concerned because she does bring name recognition. her family is popular in the state. she does have the celebrity wattage which does draw people to it, but what you're seeing also, frankly, the reality that mitch mcconnell is one of the smartest politicians in the country and he doesn't ever take anything for granted. she seems like a candidate that could give him at least some kind of problems and he's going out immediately to bang on her
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as hard as he can and troy to knock her down so that he doesn't have to worry about it come general election time. >> a lot of folks don't know or fail to acknowledge that mitch mcconnell has quite the campaign award chest. it's got to be around $7 million. no? >> even if he had a relatively little money. half the state is named after mitch mcconnell pretty much at this point. so people really do know him. they like what he's brought to the state and he's brought a lot of infrastructure and outside money and jobs and, you know, he's a very formal guy. >> lauren, republicans, it sounds like they're nervous about ashley judd, but they have intraparty issues that they have to deal with. senator john mccain has been tousling with senate newbies and they're telling "the huffington post" about those particular two new senators. it's always the whacko birds on right and left that get the
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media megaphone. how will republicans get their message in line? >> you know, i think that will be the struggle and what we're going to watch heading into 2016. in the primaries in 2012 it was really a distraction the fact that everyone kind of had their moment and the republicans couldn't seem to come around one candidate and there's a divide. and they'll have to figure that out before 2016 if they want their candidate to win. >> rand paul, all of the news this week was the filibuster that received national attention. some republicans, though, are asking why minority leader mitch mcconnell was not on the floor cheering him on earlier in the day. do you think the mcconnell waited too long to support senator paul? >> i think there are certainly a number of republicans and conservatives who think that. eric ericsson at red state came out hard against mcconnell because he was not out there sort of immediaty look. it did look political opportunistic for him to come out late in the evening, but at the same time that's sort of
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right now, i think that in six months or eight months when he starts cutting ads and primary ads and he shows him on the floor with rand paul, you know, people in the state will react well to that and the other thing is that he, unlike a lot of other members in his conference became close with rand paul and have taken him close to him to make sure that people in the state understand that he likes him. >> ashley judd, a lot of political news out of the bluegrass state these days. we'll come back to you a little bit later in the hour. >> thank you. after that asteroid crash in siberia last month, we're all a little more skittish about big rocks in space. what you need to know about the football field-sized boulder headed for us this afternoon. that's ahead. a little bit later. could we see another bush on the campaign trail? the presidential campaign trail? first, women and men in the
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men attribute their success to working hard, luck and help from other people. men will attribute that whatever success they have that same success to their own core skills. >> so what do you attribute your success to? i think my success is attributed to a lot of thing some of which really are luck, working hard and help from others. >> that's your core skills. >> and it is both. >> that's a sneak peek of the "60 minutes" interview tomorrow
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night with facebook coo cheryl sandberg talking about her new book called "lean in," women, work and the will to lead. the book comes out next week, but it has gotten a lot of attention already. sandberg graces the cover of "time" magazine. wendy wilson from "essence" magazine and gloria felt, former president of planned parenthood and author of "no excuses," nine ways women can change -- how we think about power. sorry about that. i butchered that. nine ways women can change how we of course about power. excuse me, gloria. >> let's talk about sandberg's book because in the book she argues that if women have not made it, so to speak it's because they've held themselves back by, quote, and this is the quote i want to make sure i get it ride, lacking self-confidence by not raising our hand, by pulling back when we should be leaning in. how much do women need this
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message in 2013, do you think? >> i think women enjoy hearing this message, will enjoy the book, but for the most part essence readers we always tell our readers to lean in. this is nothing new, for the most part. we've always told our readers that it's important to be aggressive and it's important to get your name out there and important to negotiate and important to get to the table knowing exactly what you want. >> you've read the book. >> yes, i have. >> i think it was very well researched and it's very intriguing and heart warming to see a woman who is the coo of facebook and one of the most powerf powerful, corporate women in the book who say these are my insecurities and this is what i've learned along the way and i want to inspire you to keep moving forward in your career, and i think that's really great. i think it is a great service and i think that the lean-in circles that she's created are going to be the kind of sister -- what i call sister courage, giving an opportunity
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to talk together and to build alliances. >> what other things in the book is that women are getting lost, and i'm just curious, is that true and if it is true, why? >> women, if they are getting lost. i don't agree with that, but i think if some women do feel they're getting lost they're getting lost because they don't have other women in power to be supportive or to speak to or to have that. >> mentors. >> mentors, the sponsors. >> a lot of times we have to go outside of the office to look for that because we don't see other women of power in positions that can help us along. >> we've heard that for years and years and years. women have said very much that same thing and we need more mentors and sponsors and more advocates, but what women need to learn is that we need to advocate for ourselves and i think that is one of the strongest messages in lean in and certainly, it's one of the strongest issues that i discovered when i was writing my own book, no excuses is that you
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reach a point where you can't ask somebody else to step aside for you. you have to be willing to step up to the plate yourself and as cheryl said in that clip, you have to hold your hand up. you have to sit at the table and you have to keep yourself going. >> want to show you another clip from the "60 minutes" episode and get your take on the other side. >> i'm not suggesting women aren't ambitious. plenty of women with are as ambitious as men, but i am saying and i want to say it unequivocally and unapologetically that the data is clear that when it comes to ambition to be to lead, to be the leader of whatever you're doing, men, boys outnumber girls and women. >> is that true? >> it may have been true a couple of years back. in the '70s, '80s and '90s, young women today, graduating from colleges and universities across the country. they don't have that attitude. >> they're just as ambitious. >> if not more so. >> the women that run this show -- >> absolutely.
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we are not stepping back. we are not leaning back. we are certainly leaning forward and these young girls have seen the last generation, their mothers. they have seen them kind of do that. so they have -- the world is at their feet right now. >> what would it show sandberg's message there? >> i just want to add if i can that women have as much ambition as men, but what i found is that women lack a certain amount of intention whereas boys still come out of the womb bouncing around thinking that they own the world. they care first to know what other people care of them. >> is that inherent? >> i think it's all cultural and it's something that as westboundy said, it's going to dissipate as time goes on. >> sandberg's book and the time feature, all of this, of course, comes on the heels of ann marie slaughter's peace in the atlantic that is still one of the most popular pieces on that website. at least it was yesterday and she makes the case that women
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cannot have it all which seems in some ways to contradict sandberg's thesis here in her book. what sentiment do you think is closer to the truth? >> i think it's in between, quite frankly. you have some women who feel that they're still fighting the good fight. they're still trying to figure out how to deal with family life and professional ambition, and then you have some women that isn't an issue for them and usually those women come from a different mindset. they have been taught from the very beginning that you can be whatever you want to be. it's in between, i think, for the most part it's also generational. >> i think that is the silliest of arguments we could ever have -- >> which one? which argument. >> can you have it all or can you not have it all? nobody has it all and everybody has to make choices every single day of our lives and it's all about owning our choices and being able to step into our power and understand that we have -- we get to make those choices about our lives. now, the thing is that what
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women do is we fall into the trap of arguing with each other about whether we can have it all when we ought to be joining together and changing together and changing the system. >> you know what? i wish we could go on. i read this and i was fascinated by it and i wanted to talk about it. thank you guys so much for coming. wendy wilson and gloria, a fascinating read and we'll probably continue this discussion as well. >> great. thank you. still to come, the great communicator tries to get his message across in the gop primaries of 1976. we'll take you back. >> plus, how the changing face of the catholic church may impact the cardinal's choice for the next pope. you're watching msnbc. the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1% cash back on all purchases, plus a 50% annual bonus. and everyone but her likes 50% more cash, but i have an idea.
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smokers, i don't really mind because i don't light up and hate leaving bars and restaurants reeking and then he came for the folks who like to enjoy occasional transfats or one of those gargantuan sugary drinks and i try to avoid fried foods unless my mom's frying pork chops and think the super sizes are part of the reason why so many have gotten so fat especially kids. well now the billionaire mayor has decided once again to help us help ourselves. he thinks the kids are playing their hip tee hop metal rock too loudly. this week the city of new york announced it was spending $250,000 on a campaign to raise awareness about the quote, safe use of personal music players and the risks of loud and long listening. many worry that this could just be the beginning. your ipod, by the way, gets up to 115 decibels and researchers say 85 is ideal. really? we don't think that people who blast their music think that
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. you are are looking at what's left of a mouse on plum island in massachusetts. it was torn apart by strong winds and rising tides. part of a vicious winter storm that slammed new england's coastline this week. that storm brought more than a foot of snow to parts of the region. i'm craig melvin. good saturday to you. here's a look at other top stories making news right now. in denver, colorado, right now, they're being pummeled by a big storm that's bringing heavy snow today. it's disrupting travel as well. the associated press is reporting that at least 18 people were killed in two separate suicide bombings in afghanistan today. the first attack happened early this morning right outside the defense ministry headquarters in kabul. secretary of defense chuck hagel was nearby and the pentagon says he was safe when that attack happened and the second attack took place at a police cheek
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point in eastern afghanistan. just across the border from afghanistan is waziristan. a remote province in pakistan and perhaps one of the most dangerous places on earth. the area has been a safe haven for the world's most notorious militant groups and warlords and it is also strictly forbidden to foreigners and the region has been hit by more u.s. drone strikes than any other place in the world. >> two weeks ago, nbc news became the first full news organization to get access to waziristan. here's the report. for years, this has been a haven for the taliban. they also kill civilians. pakistan wants that to stop and says he can police the area itself, but the military admits the war has not yet been won. >> there are currently 40,000 troops stationed here in north waziristan and half of them are at border coasts like this one
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over 4,000 feet above sea level and less than a couple of miles from the border. >> those pakistani troops conduct targeted operations and not large-scale assaults. their mission is to rebuild here. with financial help from the u.s. and others to give these isolated communities a reason to turn away from the terrorists. a new road to provide a link to the outside world. homes and schools destroyed by the taliban being rebuilt. new markets springing up, including a shopping center where the taliban once carried out public executions. tribal elder says he can now shop close to home, a trip that once took hours. . progress, but the army still has to fight to hold its ground. commanders say they'll prevail only by winning over the people here and insist u.s. drone strikes only make that more difficult. >> let's start there.
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amna nawaz, what did you hear from people there in waziristan about our drone strikes? >> the number one thing you hear is a very strong protest. that is something that has been echoed among the commanders from the pakistan government. the public line is the drone strikes are counterproductive. they do more harm than good. they create more terrorists than they kill. the issue, of course, is much more complicated than just that. >> as i mentioned your team was the first foreign team of journalists to report from northern waziristan. how did you get the access? >> this is years of lobbying and we're certainly not the first to put in that request. not sure entirely why the military decided why to give us that access and we have been pushing for a while. it's an area of incredible interests to a number of news organizations and ngos. no foreigner his been allowed access and the one place where more drone strikes occurred and it's very difficult to verify anything that happens because you're just not allowed to go
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and even when we were there our movement was very, very limited. >> what struck you most while you were there. the single most sort of eye-opening aspect of this region is just how isolated and just how insular these communities are. you have to remember these are tribal communities that though we consider them to be part of pakistan, they're within the borders of pakistan, they've not looked to islamabad for any support of services and to fold them into the rest of pakistan will be a real challenge for the country. >> while i have you here i do want to talk about the suicide attack in kabul and the taliban claiming responsibility saying it's an attempt to prevent chuck hagel from, quote, spreading lies about the insurgency's weakness, closed quote. how do we read the taliban's message coming out of this particular attack. >> this is nothing new for them in the waive tactics and in the last year when president obama has visited and when then secretary leon panetta had visited they carried out similar
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attacks and security installations on an american installation as well. so this is clearly something they'll do knowing they'll get the attention because there are similar -- what will it look like in the country when we pull out in the next few months. >> we've seen reports about the fact that there's conversation going on about how many troops will remain. i can tell you from my time on the ground in waziristan it's of high interest to officials on both sides of the border as they will affect both those countries when the u.s. leaves. >> a fantastic piece of reporting and we showed a snippet of it there. i would encourage our viewers to go to the website and look at the entire piece. in rome, cardinals have gathered to elect a pope and they'll start tuesday and here's what's expected to happen over the next few weeks. if modern history is to be trusted, the conclave could pick a new pope within a week and it could happen, that would give the pontiff enough time to
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continue for the southbouunday celebration and march 31st meanwhile, here in the united states a new poll sheds light on what american catholics want from their new pope. 62% say the next pope should allow priests to marry and 30% say that he should not. 64% say the next pope should relax the church's ban on contraception as well. with me now, lisa miller, religion columnist at "the washington post" she's contributing editor. thanks so much for coming in. >> that same poll shows 52% of american catholics say church leaders are out of touch with their views. how do the beliefs of american catholics compare with catholics from around the world? >> i think american catholics are like a big catholic family in that they love their leaders and they're loyal to their leaders and yet they vociferously and ardently disagree with their leaders. so what was striking to me about
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these polls that came out last week was this ambivalence and this ambiguity and they disagree with the bishops, cardinals and the pope on all kinds of aspects of catholic teaching, as you mentioned, birth control, homosexuality and women priests, mared prieried priests and they their parish priest and they actually think the church is doing kind of an okay job and so they aren't going on strike. they aren't taking to the streets and they're taking a kind of wait-and-see attitude although they also don't have much hope for the next pope, either to be able to do these things that they want to be done. >> it's akin when you ask about congress as a whole, you want to throw the entire lot of them out. he's one of the good ones and she's one of the good ones. >> that's right. an american catholic's loyalty to his or her faith is very profound and very deep and it's
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going to take a lot despite all of the disagreement and the hurt and the anguish that a lot of american catholics feel over the sex abuse scandals over the last decade. a lot of that is very real. despite all of that, people who are born catholic want to stay catholic in some way. >> last week in what some are calling a bit of a clash of cultures, the church told american cardinals to stop giving press briefings because they feared leaks. what did that incident tell us about different factions within the church. >> i thought that was very interesting also. also what was interesting is the idea of transparency. it's such an american value. we want transparency in our leaders and we want transparence ney our governments and it's a democratic value and when one of our business or government leaders does something bad, they go up in front of people and they say mea culpa and they're transparent or seemingly transparent about what they've done wrong and they remediate their sin and the american
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cardinals are showing that they have these american values about transparency among -- in the context, a very closed circle the wagons, insular thinking and it really was a culture clash. >> "the new york times" we saw how archbishop of new york, timothy dolan has become an object of fascination in rome. what if cardinal dolan would become pope. we know it's not going to happen. >> he's a oned overall in new york and he'd be a wonderful figure to rule the worldwide church. he's voluble and likes to joke. he likes sports. he's a guy. he's a really regular guy and yet he's a very orthodox catholic. so the conservative factions in the church really do like him. he's very by the book and he's not going to take the church in an all new direction. he would just be, you know, a
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wonderful sort of fatherly face of the church. >> washington post's religion columnist, lisa miller. happy to be here. >> folks, in case you missed it, another asteroid just passed by planet earth this hour. this one about the size of a football field. it was named 2013 e.t. we didn't name it. coming just days after the asteroid named 2013 ec flew within 230,000 miles of the united states. today's space rocket is predicted to have passed 600,000 miles away from earth. these latest fly-bies are not as close a call of the as troud last month that passed just about 17,000 miles away. to find out about what's going on with these recent close calls is the curator at the museum of natural history here in new york. good to see you. >> thanks for coming in. >> what do we have here? >> i brought a rock. this is a meteorite. this fell in kansas in 1905, but
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it's ordinary, a lot like the rock that exploded over russia on february 15th. >> last month we saw a meteor explode over russia. >> not this one. this is not, unfortunately. >> but we saw one explode over russia. another one over northern california. why are there so many asteroids and meteors lately? >> we are better at seeing them and the catalina sky survey discovered this rock, the one coming as we speak coming as close to the earth as it's going to be. two and a half earth moon distances, far away and no danger and at 100 meter, it's a big rock. >> at what point should we earthlings start to become nervous? >> we should become nervous in the long term because in the long term something has our name on it, but we found the bilge o big ones and we know they have our name on it. >> you made your life's work to study@asteroids and meteorites,
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really cool rocks. what can we learn about our place in the universe by studying things like this? >> we learn about the history of the solar system. this rock if you were to cool a bit of the sun, and they differentiated to make the iron core. this is one reason to mind the asteroid. so that sets of interest, too. but these rocks tell us about the history of the solar system and frankly, we haven't got samples of mars except the meteorites that come from mars so they tell us about other planets. want to touch it? >> i would like to. this is pretty cool. >> denton able, thank you very much for swinging by. >> there is the fusion crust and it's the molten layer, that's the last bit of melted rock that part there when it comes in and on the inside you can see it looks like an ordinary stone. only about less than 5% of all meteorites are actually iron meteorites. >> i've enjoyed geeking out with you, good sir. thank you so much. >> great to be you. >> welcome here any time.
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primary there and he's used the word dreaded by politicians, watergate. reagan said if ford was the candidate he would have to defend watergate. >> i don't think we want to go into the battle having to defend a part of the past which republicans would like to be left to history. >> at a later stop, reporters asked reagan if he asked gerald ford might have to defend his pardon of richard nixon. >> would you have to defend the pardon of the president? >> i think as i said before, it would be naive for a republican to believe that they're not going campaign in the usual matter which would be to revive everything they can. >> even though reagan campaigned on not having served in washington during the watergate scandal, ford won the gop nomination in 1976, though he later lost the general election to jimmy carter. speaking of presidential pardon, did you know that president obama has an historically low pardon rate on march 1st, the
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>> i wish mitt romney was president right now. i think we would have someone who would be in the midst of trying to forge consensus. it breaks my heart he is not there. he is a good man and he didn't run, his campaign wasn't the best but he would have been a really fine president.
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>> that was jeb bush and msnbc morning joe. part of a tour that is the presidential governor planning his own campaign? >> john stanton, washington bureau chief at buzz feed. out promoting his new book, "immigration wars." undocumented immigrants should not be given a path to citizenship. in the past, he said the opposite. why do you think he's changing his mind now? >> when he wrote this book and he has been out saying this, it was a year ago. and to even speak of a path to anything for latinos who are here illegally was kind of unheard of in the gop and very progressive. we have seen a stark shift in the republican loss of 2012 and i think if he would have written his book now, it may look a little different than what we see in the book currently. >> kind of reminiscent of what mitt romney did when he changed his mind about universal health
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care and his autobiography, right? >> they're open to these flip-flops at times and i think there is time for him to evolve on the issue, though. >> john bush promoting his book on six morning shows tomorrow, including tand how different audiences respond to his stance on immigration? >> i think conservatives are going to not like it and to a certain degree, more conservative than say what marco rubio is doing and certainly what the white house wants to do and that will give him a certain amount of cover. they still aren't going to like this pathway to sort of legalized status for undocumented workers that he has. i think at the same time, you know, i think latino voters are now saying that immigration is their number one issue above the economy. the first time this happened in several years and they're not going to like this very much either because they really do right now see an opportunity to get a full citizenship for the 12 million undocumented workers
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in the united states right now and they don't want to see anybody stepping back from that. i think as lauren said, this is a bit of unfortunate timing for the governor. >> jeb bush sat down with chuck todd earlier this week. take a listen to what he said. >> you're being much more open about considering national office than i ever heard you before. what's different this time? >> i'm not saying yes, i'm not saying no. >> you used to be pretty definitive. >> 2008 i was asked about it and i said, heck no. it wasn't the right time. 2012 it wasn't either. >> lauren, what do you think? jeb bush for president a sure thing? >> i don't think it's a sure thing. i think he will weigh his option. but a little bit of time since the last bush presidency and i think folks are getting excited and getting ready. they'd love to see a clinton/bush matchup, again. i don't think it's a serious thing, but he's weighing his options and when the time comes, he will make a decision and it could be yes. >> john, what does all this mean
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for florida senator marco rubio? >> you know, it's interesting. i think rubio finds himself in a bit of a weird position right now because he is really sort of leading the charge and trying to drag the party's conservative base further to the left on immigration and then they have been in the past. at the same time, he has his own sort of eyes on the 2016. he's clearly one of the leaders as of right now, although that's four years away. so, if jeb comes out and really does make a serious push for the presidency, it could become a little difficult for the both of them, frankly. >> lauren fox, u.s. news and world report and john stanton from buzz feed. thanks to both of you. >> thank you. abramoff delay. all names associated with money and politics and not in a good way. we'll talk to the former ohio congressman who did some time in prissen and just wrote a book, coming up. hillary clinton's recipe for keeping herself healthy in her travels around the world. you're watching msnbc, the place
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good saturday afternoon to you i'm craig malvin. welcome news on the job front. >> we learned that our businesses added nearly 250,000 jobs last month. >> it sounds great, but a cautionary tale behind those numbers and we'll go in depth in a moment. the 42nd president changes his tune because could his acceptance of marriage equality change the music on the supreme court? >> i just want to say -- in any language that's former congressman bob nay and six years after going to prison, he is here to tell us about his ordeal and what he learned. first, though, some developing news in south africa. we continue to watch this very closely.
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nelson mandela has been admitted to a hospital today. doctors say it's just for "routine tests." they insist there's nothing to worry about at this poin. still, though, the 94-year-old south african president was in the hospital for 18 days back in december. we continue to watch nelson mandela there in south africa. meanwhile, chuck hagel is in afghanistan today. his first trip there as secretary of defense. just hours after his arrival, two suicide bomb attacks took place one in the capital of kabul ten people were killed there. secretary hagel was not near either explosion. later he talked to reporters about the attacks. >> we're at war. war didn't stop and we have a war here. and that's just the reality that we're going to continue to work with the afghans and our coalition partners to fight that war. >> kentucky republican senator
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rand paul is sounding a bit like a presidential candidate today in a "washington post" op-ed titled my filibuster was just the beginning. senator paul writes, i believe the support i received this past week shows that americans are looking for someone to really stand up and fight for them and i'm prepared to do just that." after 151 years the remains of two crew members of the "uss monitor" were laid to rest at arlington national cemetery yesterday. the iron clad ship and the "monitor" was lost at sea for several months after that battle. parts were recovered and currently being restored. the white house promised gloom and doom if automatic spending cuts went into effect, but the stock market shot up this week. the unemployment rate dropped significantly. so, we wanted to take a reality check of the jobs numbers. what do they mean?
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what don't they mean? and to do that, we brought in two of the very best you can get on a saturday afternoon. msnb jared bernstein former economic adviser to vice president joe biden and cnbc zachary, who is also president of river twice research. thanks, gentlemen, to both of you for being with me on a saturday. let's dig into it here. first of all, what might these numbers have looked like without the looming threat of the sequester? >> i don't think you see much of the sequester in these numbers. remember, these numbers are from february and the sequester went into effect march 1st. now, most economists believe that the sequester is going to subtract about 0.5% off of gdp growth over the rest of the year and numerous hundreds of thousands of jobs estimates range between 500,000 and a million. so, i think the relevance of the sequester here is that this pretty strong report from yesterday kind of shows you what is at stake. if the economy does take a hit from those automatic spending
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cuts. we need a lot more reports like this or stronger if we're going to achieve a recovery that really feels like a recovery to working people who, thus far, haven't really benefitted that much from the growth. so, the danger here of the sequester is that in future months we pulled back from these kinds of reports because of its impact. >> zachary, let's talk about the markets here for a second. dow set an all-time high tuesday and did it again wednesday. one thing that continues to amaze myself and a lot of folks how durable the markets have been through all of the uncertainty, to say the least. to what can we attribute the growth in the markets? >> first of all, when you trade stocks, you're not trading a proxy for usgdp and you're not changing the government. if it does have employment effects, the initial effects in government, not business. so, the relationship between that and the markets is only
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because we talk about them in public in the same way, not because there is any much of a material relationship. >> smart investors know that. >> the reality is companies remain in this global economic system. a lot of the benefits of growth and they don't bear a lot of the costs of being alive, meaning most companies don't have to pay for retirement plans. they don't have to deal with education. they don't have to deal with the elderly and don't entirely have to deal with health care. companies can make a lot of money, even while national economies muggal through a struggle. >> a lot of companies continue to sit on huge amounts of cash. >> huge amounts of cash. >> for folks watching who don't understand why this works, why are there so many, especially large companies in this country right now, who aren't spending the money they have? >> jared knows this as well as anyone. if you have a u.s. tax code that doesn't tax profits that multi-national companies make abroad a lot better for apple to keep their money in the kaymen
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islands or bahamas. you can actually lower the corporate tax rate and take a lot more money in from companies than we're currently doing. but that's one of the incentives for them not to bring that money back. >> question here. why the markets continue to soar, the median household income in this country has declined by more than $4,000. in the simplest of terms, for folks watching, again, wondering how this could be. explain, explain how that could happen. >> sure. it's exactly the phenomenon i was talk about earlier and zachary referenced that, too, when he was talking about our global corporations could have great bottom lines yet not higher here or raise the pay of domestic workers. there are a number of reasons for increased economic inequality. right now, nat is the separation between growth or productivity in people's maychecks. right now a very high
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unemployment rate. if you actually look at the impact of high unemployment on earnings, it's pretty negative. people don't have the bargaining clout. globalization, that's in the mix. technology has left a lot of workers whoera aren't highly educated behind. unionization rates are very low and somebody once described it as not one perp, it is murder on the express. you have a lot of different perpetrators contributing to that, but i would certainly say that these days one of the biggest factors is the high unemployment rate and these persistent output gaps. the fact that the economy isn't growing as quickly as we need it to. here, again, you have congress kind of playing these fiscal games that are pushing it exactly the wrong way. >> zachary, before i let you get out of here, i want to talk about the piece you wrote in "the atlantic" this week about the importance of rooting for china. what's happening in china right now and how worried should we be about its effects?
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>> part of the point of the piece was if we're worried about the effects, we should be hopeful that those negative effects don't come to pass because it's not going to do us and do our domestic economy any good if china does some and, again, jared knows this quite well. the degree to which these economic systems are linked together some complicated, some helpful. so, i think that there are some issues in china. >> the housing bubble. >> but i think the chinese government, more than the american government, controversial thing to say is more aware of attentive to their domestic challenges and to some degree and whether they'll succeed or not, we don't know, than the u.s. government has proven to be in the past years. >> somebody is tweeting you right now. >> you know, i know. >> jared bernstein former economic adviser and zachary karabell. a big thanks to both of you. thanks so much for helping us with reality check this week. a son-in-law of osama bin laden is being held in new york
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today. the former al qaeda propagandist had been sought by the united states for more than a decade. he was arrested overseas and now awaits trial in a federal court. let's bring in nbc justice correspondent pete williams. pete? >> frank, he was once an al qaeda spokesman who sat next to osama bin laden and threatened americans with terrorism. but gaith was sitting this time in a federal courtroom. prosecutors say he appeared on a video with bin laden the morning after the 9/11 attacks and warned americans that "a great army is gathering against you." in a later video he issued another warning telling childrens and muslims in the u.s., "not to board any aircraft and not to live in high rises." u.s. officials say abu ghaith had been in iran for much of the past decade with al qaeda figures under some kind of house arrest. now republicans say it's a mistake to put him in trial on a
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civilian court instead of a military tribunal at guantanamo bay but he talked to the fbi extensively after he was arrested generating a 22-page statement. he made those statements after he was given his mirranda warning about the right to remain silent. u.s. officials say abu ghaith knows nothing about any current terror plots but could offer insight into al qaeda, including what he and others were doing all that time in iran. >> pete williams from washington, thanks. for more on the controversy over whether suspected terrorists should be tried in u.s. courts, we want to take another reality check now. vicki duval. general counsel to the city select committee and deputy legal adviser to the counterterrorism center. vicki, good to see you. >> thank you. >> with the bush administration, you helped write the pate
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patriot act. but political uproar forced that case to a military court at g n guantanamo bay. what's different now? >> well, a couple of things are different. number one, abu ghaith hasn't been in guantanamo bay and he is coming to court from another source. another difference is the high visibility nature of the two individuals khalid shaikh mohammed being one of the masterminds of 9/11 and i think understandably the people in lower manhattan were worried about security and disruptions caused by a high-profile trial. i think people are thinking, hoping that this one is more low key. >> you write in the commentary that president bush was wrong on detaining americans and president obama is wrong on killing them. what relevant legal precedence do we have at this point to guide us, to guide us with regards to policy making on drones? >> we don't have very many.
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we don't really have any direct precedent in the courts. in particular the supreme court on targeted killing by any means. drones or any other way. we do have a supreme court decision from the bush era on detention. and what due process rights need to be afforded someone who is designated an enemy combatant by the president and in that case president bush's lawyers lost the case and the supreme court ruled that did deserve and was entitled to due process rights. the same kind of argument with targeted killing. it's a different fact pattern, but you asupppply the same reasg based on what is known. >> some municipalities are trying to ban their use altogether now. last month the city of charlo e charlottesville passed legislation which it said would make this city, "no drone zone."
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what do you think about this idea and other ideas like it? >> well, whenever, when issues become highly controversy on a national level, some towns and cities try to take action locally. charlottesville and any other cities perfectly within its power to take actions to what its officials can do and what its police force can do. a drone-free zone vis-a-vis the state government or federal government. we have a clause that give federal -- what he can and cannot do in war. >> vicki, always appreciate your insight. thank you. >> thank you. hillary clinton and hot peppers. they go together like peas and carrots, apparently. first, though, he says he's not a bitter man but with bob ney's new book on the shelves, we'll talk to the former congressman on the other side of this break. you're watching msnbc, the place
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house majority speaker john boehner, excuse me, speaker john boehner seems to be his party's sweetheart standing firm on fiscally conservative issues and playing hardball with the president. but my next guest bob ney has harsh anecdotes. he chronicles those and lots more in his new book. it's called "sideswiped" lessons lea learned. ney was involved in a lobbying
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scandal back in 2012 and went to prison. he joins me in the studio now. we remember your name from that scandal and also did about four years in prison for bribing politicians like yourself with expensive gifts. for folks who have not followed that story, take us back. what was your actual involvement with abramoff? >> i drank free at his restaurant, wrote some letters for him, did a statement in the congressional record for a stream of value for free meals, for booze and all the influence of jack abramoff to raise campaign dollars. >> after you pled guilty in 2006, you said in a statement "i allowed myself to get too comfortable with the way things have been done in washington, d.c. for too long. with hindsight and prison behind you now, has washington changed at all in your eyes when it comes to money and politics? >> i have a chapter in the book and it is called "is the barrel
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still corrupt?" they have made bribery part of the law. >> how so? >> i can take you, look, i went and ate at jack abramoff's restaurant. let's say i ate $100 worth of sushi and $200 worth of alcohol and now today as a congressman or as a lobbyist and if you're a congressman, i can take you right now, throw a fund-raiser, $3,000 dinner here in new york city, as long as i raise you money while i'm doing it. i can take you hunting in alaska, i can take you to las vegas and as long as i do it in the aspects of a fund-raiser. the superpacs and source and rove left in the right, the money is flowing more than ever before. >> a part of the book that has gotten a great deal of attention talking about how house speaker john boehner and his wife. you write in part, "he was considered a man that was all about winning and money. he was a chain smoking relentless wine drinker who was more interested in the high
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life, golf, women, cigarettes, fun and alcohol." what was the point of that part of the book? >> well, there is a point to the book. you know -- >> the boehner stuff. >> there is a point to that. house administration and i tell you 100 stories on 100 people. john boehner was an integral part of and part of the appointment by alice fisher to the attorney deputy position and he was part of it and he made a deal with me right out front and i will hold by it and i'm not the only one that knows about that deal. he made a deal and you step down and i get you a comparable job with the money you're making in congress and help raise money for your legal defense fund to in fact, "have this go away." that's a deal. it's a deal cut by money. look, if i didn't like john boehner, i could have got out of prissen and said, by the way, he was chain smoking. >> you did say that. >> no, when i got out. i was just going to stab him.
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this is a small part of an integral part of this book. >> for our audience, take a listen. >> this is disgraced congressman who went to jail who has made a lot of baseless and false accusations in order to try to sell a book. it's sad. >> you also write that the speaker "has taken thousands in booze, food, golf games from lobbyists and slid around ethics ru rules." if they are true, how has he managed to avoid prosecution? >> many people avoid things throughout their time. i avoided things. i was there 11 years. that happens. again, in the speaker's case, nothing i haven't said that's not known in d.c. and nuthing i haven't said that won't eventually be proved by outside sources who weren't felons and didn't lie. you lie before you go to prison, you're pretty honest when you
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come out. >> are you bitter? >> no, i'm not. >> not a little? >> not at all. in the time in 2007, yeah, you bet i was. absolutely i was. but if i wanted to strike just back at him, i would have said something, done a press conference before he ran for speaker. i took a long time to develop this book, it's a small piece of it, but he is the third most powerful man in the world. i wish john boehner the best, but he needs to come to terms as a citizen of this country, i think, with some personal things because something happens, lord forbid, he has his finger on the black bag there and i think he needs to, you know, show the american people what he can do to clean the place up. >> since you have gotten out, you mentioned to me that you spent a fair amount of time in india doing what? >> well, losing that anger through meditation. i go to northern india. i spent some time up there. i had a friend, dr. acre, she ran a project with some students and i went there and i basically learned meditation. took some time, recharged my batteries. lost any anger that i had or
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resentments and was able to come back to america with a fresh start. >> you know, especially in politics, folks always love a comeback story. any chance you get back into the game? >> i have no intentions to run, but you never say never. that's a good political answer. >> oh, buddy, it sounds like you're getting to run. >> no, no. >> former congressman bob ney. the book is called "sideswiped." rand paul went for nearly 13 hours straight and we're going to look back at some of the most famous filibusters. you're watching msnbc. [ female announcer ] switch to swiffer sweeper, and you'll dump your old broom. but don't worry, he'll find someone else. ♪ who's that lady? ♪ who's that lady? ♪ sexy lady ♪ who's that lady? [ female announcer ] swiffer sweeper's electrostatic dry cloths attract and lock dirt, dust, and hair on contact to clean 50% more than a broom. it's a difference you can feel. swiffer gives cleaning a whole new meaning. and now swiffer wet and dry refills
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sweat and flushes your system maybe from whatever viruses are there. we'll keep that in mind. >> you all think i'm -- i'm going to stay right here and fought for this lost cause. even if this room gets filled with lies like this. classic movie moment portraying one of the most dramatic political actions a member of the u.s. senate can take. the filibuster. while mr. paul is the latest to go to washington with one, he does not hold the real-life record. time for a trip to the political playground. senator rand paul talked for 7 hours and 2 minutes. let's look at who's in the top five right now. senator proxmire on the public debt ceiling back in 1981.
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in fourth place, his fellow state senator robert fightin' bob spoke in 1908. he went for 18 hours, 23 minutes. third place, third places go to blunt spoken senator wain morris of oregon who lasted 22 hours, 26 minutes back in 1953. new york alfonse over spoke for 23 hours, 30 minutes and that was back in 1936. but it is, of course, the late strom thurmond of south carolina who holds first place. he stayed on the floor 24 hours, 18 minutes. he spoke out against the civil rights act of 1957. not a great moment for senator thurmond or civil rights for that moment. but historic, nonetheless. so, how did he do it, do you ask? thurmond used throat lozenges.
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if he drank water, he wouldn't have to use the men's room. a listen lesson in that for rand paul, should he decide to take another crack at it. still to come, 42 calls for the high court. plus, a billion catholics around the world are about to start staring at the roof above the sistine chapel. we'll go live to eternal city, coming up. you're watching msnbc. dad, i'd put that down. ah. 4g, huh? verizon 4g lte. 700 megahertz spectrum, end-to-end, pure lte build. the most consistent speeds indoors or out. and, obviously, astonishing throughput. obviously... you know how fast our home wifi is? yeah. this is basically just as fast. oh. and verizon's got more fast lte coverage than all other networks combined. so it's better. yes. oh, why didn't you just say that? huh-- what is he doing?
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that has been set for elections in venezuela. meanwhile, back here, heavy snow and strong winds have created blizzard conditions in the denver area today. more now on that from the weather channel's mike sidell. >> a big snow storm here in denver today and tonight. not unusual for the front range in march. this is their second snowiest month on average. snow and wind. blizzard warnings posted for east of denver out on i-70, east of i-25. a good chunk of the northeastern part of the state and also in parts of wyoming, kansas and nebraska. the wind is going to be an issue through the high plains. right now not howling downtown. we had gusts out at denver international over 30 miles per hour. speaking of downtown, behind me, we can make out the skyline. earlier we couldn't because it was snowing that hard at about an inch an hour. storm total of 8 to 12 inches and, again, that will be wind whipped snow and temperatures today in the low 30s. tonight we dropped down to 10 as the snow ends. this storm has its mark east and
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north. look out around des moines, even north of kc and out through the plains and parts of the upper midwest as we go into tomorrow and tomorrow night. back here in denver, big turn around as we often see this time of year. temperatures tomorrow around 40 and 50 on monday and 60 or better tuesday, wednesday and thursday. all the snow out here, it will be pretty much gone by the end of the day on tuesday. craig, back to you. >> all right, mike sidell, in denver. thank you. the vatican getting ready it pick a new pope. just this morning workers installed a chimney stack on the roof of the sistine chapel. smoke from that chimney will be the only way the world find out about a new pope. let's go to claudia who is in rome right now. again, walk us through what is going to happen once this process starts to unfold tuesday. >> well, craig, what we know is that the cardinals will walk into the st. peter's basilica
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behind me for a mass. that means for the elekction of the pope, of course. then walk through the sistine chapel and from there on when the doors are closed and shut and remain by themselves in there and then we'll have to decide and start voting. maybe there will be a ballot that afternoon. what we don't know is, of course, when a pope will be elected. a ballot may not be enough because the cardinals are still divi divided. there is no real frontrunner. let's just give you some statistics. in the last 100 years, the longest conclave was five days. well, you never know. this time because of the divisions and because of the surprise of pope benedict xvi, it may even last longer. but let's just watch and there will be a vote before ballots every single day and from next week after tuesday. we may or we may not have a pope by next sunday. craig? >> for folks who are not terribly familiar with how this works. not to simplify it here, but will the cardinals essentially make their case to each other in
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this room for as long as it takes? will they just debate back and forth? >> no. the time for debating is almost over, craig. they had time to debate for the past week in the general congregation of cardinals. once they walk into the sistine chapel, it's all about voting. they write their name on the ballot and if two-thirds. if one of the candidates comes with a two-thirds of the votes, then he is pope. otherwise, the ballots are burned black smoke is up and another ballot comes in until white smoke, we see white smoke and the new election of the pope, craig. >> black smoke, nope and white smoke, pope. >> that's right. >> do appreciate you. back to american politics now. senator rand paul's hollywood moment this week filibustering more than 12 hours on the senate floor to demand answers on the u.s. use of drones and also put a spotlight on a widening riff between two sides of the gop.
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on one side, texas senator ted cruz who joined senator paul on the floor during the filibuster. on the other side, senators john mccain and lindsey graham who asked him to step it back a bit. here's senator mccain thursday. take a listen. >> if mr. paul wants to be taken seriously, he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids in their college dorms. he needs to know what he's talking about. >> let's introduce. maureen is a staff writer at buzz feeds political editor and matt welch, editor in chief at reason magazine. and, matt, we'll start with you. it was a big week for your movement, so to speak. in fact, you couldn't contain yourself over at reason magazine. brian doherty said, "this was a very big deal. in 36 hours the republican party has completely changed."
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how so? >> that we're having this conversation to begin with. if you went to the 2004 national convention in new york city and listen to zell miller say it wasn't the journalist who brought us freedom of speech, it was the soldier. there was not a rand paul voice at that table at all. 2008, john mccain as the nominee. he's the most aggressively pro interventionist candidate since teddy roosevelt, his hero. there wasn't a rand paul voice at the table. now, instead of that, you have neo conservatives, people who are hawks saying john mccain and lindsay gram sound like those old sesame street guys in the balcony and rand paul looks like the sort of future of the party. it was a remarkable turn around. >> is that why we heard so quickly from senator gram and senator mccain? >> in seriousness, i think it is what is incredible is that
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president obama attacking right on national security issues has rejiggered the game. yes, you have this internal sort of struggle for identity on national security within the republican party, but you also have president obama in many ways codifying a bush national security approach. safe torture, so far as we know. >> so far as we know. >> safe torture. there has not been a lot of transparency. you have an unusual possibility right now for certain progressives, such as patrick leahy who voted against brennan with on certain issues. rand paul does not believe in my civil liberties when it comes to my right to terminate a pregnancy and private institutions under the civil rights act. however, there is an ideological realignment that is throwing people like lindsay gram and john mccain into disarray. >> civil war within the republican party this has brought to light. buzz feed we spent the day after that filibuster calling the 20 senators democratic senators who have the strongest rights on
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civil liberties and asking them why they didn't join this filibuster. there are some good responses that they could have given. very few of them were willing to engage the question and i think that going forward, we're going to see some of those progressive democrats push their colleagues in the senate and say, you know, you need to get in line with this. it may have been filibustering one of the president's nominees, but this is bigger than the cia director. >> senator paul telling politico that he could broad on the base of the republican party. take a listen to that. >> there is somehow a middle ground between what is maybe more pure lib tearyism and what is more traditional conservatism and somewhere in between there is a role as long as that person can somehow bring about an expansion of the party. >> is he the guy to do that? is he your guy? >> oh, yes. at this moment, sure. for that project. for expanding, for expanding it, first, within the gop.
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i mean, a whole lot of republicans who wouldn't give his father the time of day and, yet, you have after this filibuster which was an extraordinary event to watch, he had rush limbaugh and glenn beck and sean hannity. going into the house organs of conservatism and making an argument and convincing people, or at least convincing people he should be heard and actually willing to stand on principle, instead of gamery. >> he is making arguments and that is your point. he is, he is somewhat, i made this point earlier in the broadcast. it does seem now that folks have forgotten some of the kookier things that rand paul has said over the last year or so. it is quite bizarre, no? >> there was an element in the filibuster where he was sort of stoking the paranoiac impulses that sometimes come along with these conversations and implying that the government was going to come and get survivalist and we were going to rate it. in u.s. history, you have to be
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careful with how much you stoke people in an unstable time how much you stoke people's fears of the government. that's certainly part of that cookie thing that you mentioned. >> we talked about lindsey graham, he had an especially bad week on twitter. senator graham up for re-election in 20'14" and #primarygraham. how much of this is about the 2014 primaries? >> a lot of it. to look at twitter as kind of the way that this whole last, you know, 72 hours fell apart, you know, it's important to look at like the reason rand paul's filibuster became such a national spectacle partly was because of the outpouring of national media support. there was a #standwithrand that brought attention to the filibuster. the next day when you had john mccain and lindsey graham get up there looking like cranky old
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men, this isn't where the republican party should be, we stand for national defense. a lot of that twitter energy was directed towards slamming them. in 2014, will this be the undoing of linds lindsey graham splil career? maybe not. shifted the terms of debate within the republican party and you've seen a lot of main stream republicans, including marco rubio, mitch mcconnell join with rand paul and that was an important moment and we'll see how that plays out in the coming years. we'll take a quick break and pay some bills. back in a moment with a look at 42 at doma and what that mix might mean for marriage equality. this is msnbc, the place for politics. max and penny kept our bookstore exciting and would always come to my rescue. but as time passed, i started to notice max just wasn't himself. and i knew he'd feel better if he lost a little weight. so i switched to purina cat chow healthy weight formula.
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piece. he urged the supreme court to overturn the defensive marriage act. he writes in part, "i know now that even worse than providing an excuse for discrimination, the law is itself discriminatory. it should be overturned. i want to bring back the maureen, mat welch, why did you put your glasses away? >> television first. >> let me start with you. let's talk about the president's motivation here. what do you think it was? >> no one would call bill clinton politically courageous in this situation. but it is worth looking back at the realities of what was going on with doma. republicans set a political trap for him. he thought that there would be, i got to take this off, he thought there would be no political reality in which states would be passing gay marriage. all credit here goes to the activist who completely changed the ground under which such political decisions are made. so, president clinton was not, probably the veto would have
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been overwritten by congress at that point but also didn't realize that they would end up stripping people's original rights because so many state moved forward on that. >> same-sex marriage, the opinions on it in this country have changed fairly dramatically and fairly quickly when you look at other social issues. in 1996, 27% of americans supported same-sex marriage. in 2012, almost double that. 54%. how much of public opinion do you think factored into bill clinton all of a sudden coming out and writing this op-ed? >> not at all. nothing to do with it. >> he never looked at a poll in his life. >> i mean, look, i think the thing is, it's not inconceivable that bill clinton was among the tens of millions of americans who have changed their mind about this issue over the last 17 years. he came from a conservative state. he came from a conservative background. that being said, nobody is going to give him credit, you know, in 20 years when we're looking back at this fight for marriage
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equality. nobody is going to give bill clinton credit for punching the debate forward. newsweek actually reported, this is an acinteresting tidbid. pressured john kerry to come out against same-sex marriage even at the state level and for him to really become a hardliner against gay marriage and john kerry actually declined that advice. but, the fact that even just a few years ago bill clinton was still kind of seeing the political benefits to opposing same-sex marriage and seizing that opportunity says a lot about how much this is really a real change of heart or just, you know, political posturing. >> interesting that john kerry was the only senator up for election that year that voted against doma. he won his reelection as senator, didn't win as president. >> meanwhile, we have a president now in the white house who could very well go down in history, at least here as the
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gay president. i mean, in every turn, president obama whether it's the amicus brief, whether it's mentioning gay rights. i mean, inaugural address. i mean, this president more so than any other president to this point, but what do you think? do you think that is going to be one of the lasting legacies of the obama administration? >> it will be because there are not many other legacies left available to him at this point, given his term. remember, he changed his mind 12 months ago on this. let's get joe biden out there to float a trial balloon and then suddenly progressing and we all must recognize this civil right. this one that i didn't recognize 11 months ago, which gets to irin's point, which is a great one. not just activists, but the culture that made this happen. politicians got in the way at every step of the way. they almost always do especially but nineteot only, but scared politicians like barack obama. when the culture moves so violently and suddenly, then the
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politicians finally got onboard and we're going to have gay marriage in this country pretty widespread, pretty soon and i think that's a great victory for people who don't think the state should discriminate against people's marriage choices. >> you make great journalists because you're very cynical. so very cynical. >> it's reality. the republicans' rising star speak as the party tries to determine what went wrong in 2012. there's an autopsy report coming out. the brain trust will be back to talk about that. introducing new febreze stick & refresh with command strips from 3m. designed to stick and eliminate odors anywhere. like this overflowing trashcan. to test it, we brought in the scott family. so what do you smell? beach house and you're looking out over the ocean. some place like, uh, hawaii in like a flower field. take your blindfolds off. aw man! [ screams ] [ laughs ] that smells good. i wouldn't even just put it in the trash, i'd put it in every room. stick it to eliminate odors anywhere. new febreze stick & refresh. breathe happy.
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welcome back. the republican party is holding its own meeting in florida right now showcasing the rising stars chris christie along with former florida governor jeb bush. marco rubio, ted cruz all there to speak. the brain trust is not there. the brain trust is here. irin, matt, thanks so much for sticking around. he's conducting an internal
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review of what went wrong in 2012. a lot of meetings, a lot of reports, a lot of interviews, perhaps he talked to one or two of you, as well. there's going to be an autopsy released march 13th. what do you think will be the result of that autopsy? >> well, the one thing that he has made clear in my reporting and others is that there will be no mention of a need for policy changes within the gop. he's made very clear that we believe we can win with the policies that we back, what we need to change as our messaging, what we need to change as the way we operate and our outreach. but we're not going to move to the left on any of the main issues. >> not the message, but the messengers. what do you think is in the autopsy report? i'm sure you were consulted? >> no. as per usual. i think it will be message we care. i mean, seriously, there's an impression that republicans act the way they do because they don't care about anyone who isn't like them or doesn't look like them, but certainly how the
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democrats campaigned in 2012 was like these are the guys that want to take your stuff away or try to blunt your life on some level. they're going to try to address that. meanwhile, the simmering divisions within the party that are actually ideological or intellectual on some level and they don't work in any neat categories. the kind of rand paul, civil libertarian thing. >> you're saying this report will not save the republican party? >> no, it is not. >> again, your wing of the party had arguably the biggest week in, i don't know when. >> absolutely. if i belong to the party, it would be my wing, yes. libertarian republicans are -- >> to your point, right. >> sentencing. >> let's talk about your take on the autopsy. what do you think is going to be in there? or what won't be in there? >> i can tell you what won't be in there. ideological division as there is within the republican party, the tent is not big enough for pro-voice republicans.
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it hasn't for a while. most have been primaried out. if you look at this list from marco rubio to ted cruz to rand paul, they all pretty much agree, they want less rape talk, but they don't want to change their policies towards rape survivors. i would say it's absolutely not going to be the case. let's talk about abortion less, but that is an important part of their base. they lost on gay marriage. they won't fight that as a wedge issue, but abortion is not going anywhere in terms of something they are going to battle on. >> thank you so much. thank you so much. and we enjoy you with and without glasses. next time you come, you decide before you get here. >> what about my glasses, craig? >> these men both have very lovely glasses. >> i've never seen them without. i enjoy your glasses, as well. that's it, we're out of time. come back tomorrow. we'll have much more on the gop new strategy 3:00 p.m. eastern when ed will join me here.
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